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September 26, 2005

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Meg

I hear what you're saying, but you know what? With all the outrage about intelligent design, progressive folks are taking the Republican bait, and hooked fish can't swim.

True, it is about intelligent design and abortion and gay marriage to the religious right.

But it is most decidedly not about intelligent design and abortion and gay marriage to the neocons.

The neocons love that progressives are getting worked up into a lather about intelligent design because while we're so busy with that we ain't doing squat about poverty and voting rights and listening to the poorer and less pale among us.

The neocons know something else: Many Democrats who are poor or aren't white Anglos oppose abortion and support intelligent design. They're seeing almost no action from their party on health care costs and voting rights, and Democratic city governments are aggressively supporting the condoization that's making them lose their homes. When the Democrats aren't serious about anything that's important to their life and livelihood, what might they do?

You guessed it. Just what a whole lot of Latinos did in 2004.

It's time we stop letting the Republicans set the terms of the debate.

And it's time we listen to people of color, poor people, and immigrants.

Otherwise, we're just laying down in front of the fascist steamroller.

Meg

ricky

Oh, Meg, I agree with you. The Gee Oh Pee political machine doesn't believe in intelligent design, they could give a rat's ass about the Ten Commandments in Court Houses, they don't care about gay people getting married, and they certainly don't want to see abortion outlawed.

And I have, from time to time, sort of blithely supported letting the Gee Oh Pee--or at least demanding that the Gee Oh Pee--overturn Roe v. Wade.

One, because it's a poker bluff these clowns have been pulling for nearly thirty years. Call them on it!

Two, because I'm a man. If I'm wrong, I didn't really lose all that much. That's not callousness. That's honesty.

And three, because sometimes I feel like the very important social benefits of preserving the right to choice and seperation of church and state and freedom of speech are finally being outweighed by the unprecedented damaged to our national treasury, our government, and our world in general.

I go back and forth on it.

Sometimes, again, I think, forget the Pledge. Focus on the big picture.

Other times, I think: fuck them. Let's not win a half assed battle. Why concede anything to these pricks?

If you're right, you're right.

Let's play for high stakes. Let's play for America, let's play for our children, let's play for our future.

All in.

Last man standing, wins.

Fuck them.

Jo

Ah ricky! You are indeed excellent.

Ellen

Now you've ruined all of those stories for me! :p

Well said as usual.

Elisson

There's nothing wrong with Intelligent Design, although it does a piss-poor job of explaining the existence of both the vermiform appendix and Karl Rove. My problem with Intelligent Design is that it's not science, although it tries to masquerade as such.

As something that is unprovable and that requires faith in the unknowable, ID is just another form of religion. If you want to teach it, fine: teach it in the context of Comparative Religion classes in which students can learn about, and pick apart, all kinds of religious beliefs. But keep it the fuck out of my kids' science classes, because it Ain't Science.

Why, O why, must our country be run by morons?

ricky

I guess what I think is stupid about "intelligent design" is not the belief that there is some kind of mystic force that's ultimately behind the unfolding of the universe.

What I find stupid about it is why these people have such difficulty reconciling evolution with that belief.

These people reject Darwin, when there's nothing about natural selection that's incompatible with religion.

Why are happy accidents so repugnant to these people? Isn't that what the gift of choice is all about? That the future is unsettled? What we make of our lives is entirely up to us?

Intelligent design smacks of Calvinism to me. Nothing happens that wasn't predetermined. The whole world is nothing but a bunch of chess pieces someone else is moving around the board.

And the logical fallacy behind it: if things are complex, they must be intended. The corollary to that is? Simple things are always unintended?

That's counter-intuitive, isn't it?

And there's the even stupider idea that these people of "faith" are pursuing scientific--fine, pseudo scientific--means of proving their faith.

It's idiotic. Why bother? The cornerstone of faith is: no proof required. To justify your faith with proof sort of undermines the value of your faith, doesn't it?

Oh, yeah, and also, you're right: it ain't science.

Margaret

You are a wise man on many topics, Ricky.

Brandon

Rich,

I have nothing to add to this stream of concurring comments other than I think your posting on the Intelligent Design Issue is possibly the best-written opinion on creation/evolution I've ever read. And I'm not just sucking up to you to get invited over to the speedo-headgear-Liz Phair-a-thon. Great piece.

Brandon

cookie

speedo-headgear-Liz Phair-a-thon!!??

um, did my invitation get lost in the mail or something?????

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